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Post by Nike on Jan 26, 2007 18:28:15 GMT -5
I followed the link to this board from the stardates page, but the topic it links to no longer exists. I just wanted to point out a factual error. The page says: The earliest Stardate in The Original Series was 1277.1 in "WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE," and the latest Stardate was 5943.7 in "ALL OUR YESTERDAYS," a difference of 4666.6 Stardates. However, the episode begins on stardate 1312.4. 1277.1 is Kirk's date of birth, from his tombstone. That is also not the earliest stardate mentioned in the episode, since medical records show the date of birth for Mitchell as 1087.7 and for Dr. Dehner as 1089.5. These birthdates obviously are before the beginning of the five-year mission. They also make these characters older than Kirk, even though Kirk was Mitchell's instructor at the academy, and the actors are 5-6 years younger than Shatner, who was 35 when it aired. In fact, Kirk's dates (1277.1-1313.7) cover only 36.6 stardates, about one for each year of his life, while the episode itself covers a period of 1.4 from start to finish, in what seems to be no more than a few days. I would love to see an explanation for how the three birthdates fit with the stardates of the 5-year mission. Maybe there was an earlier era of stardates, before TOS. Maybe every time they reach 9999.9 they roll over back to 0000.0. There may be missing digits, like how we went from 99 to 00 on Y2K.
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Post by TrekGuide.com on Jun 11, 2007 2:33:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates -- I will have to look into these Stardates.
However, since this was the pilot episode, before there was any thought given to Stardate continuity (not that there ever was), perhaps it would be more interesting to see whether the Stardates within the episode are consistent with each other, or else ignore them completely.
If there is some consistency in the pilot episode's Stardates, but the whole episode does not fit with all other episodes, then maybe it is an indication that the Stardate system was changed sometime between the pilot and the rest of the first season. ...
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Post by Nike on Jul 14, 2007 8:13:29 GMT -5
Since you were referring to the 5-year mission, you should use the episode stardate, 1312.4, as the earliest stardate, rather than Kirk's birth, which was decades before the 5-year mission. I do not think that there really was a system. But the stardates within that one episode are not consistent with each other, let alone other episodes, since Kirk's whole life covers 36 stardates, and the episode lasting apparently a day or two covers 1.3 stardates. (1312.4-1313.7) Not to mention the one stardate per year rate would make Mitchell and Dehner over 200 years old. Perhaps the next movie will shed some light. (Probably it will make it mirkier, though.) Just now I was watching a Voyager rerun, when my wife asked me how many stardates were in a year, and I said 1000, then she asked me how many were in a day. I hemmed and hawed, then said evidence indicates that one stardate passes per day, to which she replied that it made no sense, that there would be only 365 stardates per year, and I said, yes, I know, I know...
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Post by Nike on Jul 14, 2007 8:16:27 GMT -5
BTW, I just noticed that tomorrow is stardate 61000.0. Happy new year!
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Post by krylon on Apr 28, 2008 21:55:05 GMT -5
stardates are various system of conversion factors which change from time to time to accomadate the discrepencies between stardates.
for example, by the time of kirk's era, a unit of stardates equalled a different amount of time in the gregorian dates as opposed to pre-kirk's era. This is how Harry Mudd's early stardate and dehner's age can be accounted for. In fact, up until the next gen time period, 12 different systems were employed since first inception to account fo all the discrepencies and time periods mentioned.
If anyone's interested in knowing the entire system, I have spent 15 years working on making stardates work within the the star trek universe so that individual stardate periods when converted to gregorian time periods correspond to the time mentioned within any given episode of star trek. However, the animated series as a result would have to be discounted as part of the star trek universe as its inclusion would make it impossible to make stardates practical.
email me for the details or wait until I get a chance to post it up on the net.
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