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Post by gbjay on Jul 6, 2003 22:54:45 GMT -5
The concept of "Enterprise" is great! The actual production, helmed by Rick Berman pucks to the heavens! After seeing what Berman is capable of, it is no wonder that Michael Piller had to get away for a while. Too bad Piller lost his power by doing so, 'cause Berman has really managed to mess things up since abandoning Gene's concept(s). Not only could Roddenberry pen good entertainment, but he also had an eye for picking and choosing actors with dynamic and lasting screen presence. And, what's the deal with the voice of the computer? Its not Majel Roddenberry's. Too bad Voyager and DS9 had to terminate, especially when they were really making impact. Sisko, Janeway, Odo et al were becoming household names and faces. Other than Scott Bakula and the body and name of Jolene Blaloc, who else is there?  (This is an edit: and for the record, Gene Roddenberry worked a treatment with a female Captain and another treatment involving a space station helmed by a black Starfleet Officer and Majel turned over the hand written drafts of Roddenberry's concept of before the Kirk era) Further proof that Berman is a dictatorial parasite is demonstrated by how quickly the franchise is falling from fan favor. After-all, it is us fans that make shows, box office receipts, and entertainment careers grow! |
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Post by TrekGuide.com on Jul 9, 2003 5:45:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure I grasp your point about Berman. He was the creator and producer of DS9 and Voyager, which you seem to recall fondly. He used Majel Roddenberry as the computer voice in every season of Voyager. (Enterprise has no talking computers.)
Berman selected the cast of DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. Enterprise has just as many famous actors as Voyager. (Aside from Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan, who else was a household name on that series? Bakula and Blalock are actors of the same status.)
And I think Enterprise goes back to Roddenberry's original format: Two or three central characters, and a handful of supporting cast members.
I do agree that the producers should get a larger writing staff, but remember how many really bad episodes of TOS and TNG there were, even with Roddenberry's involvement. The producer can't make every single script brilliant. I think Berman takes too much heat for all the work he's done maintaining the Trek universe for 15 years.
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Post by glengemen on Jul 13, 2003 22:59:59 GMT -5
I totaly agree. Rick Berman does take too much heat for the problems in Enterprise. It takes a long time to develop characters and for audiences to become emotionaly attached to them, and I think enterprise is doing a good job with this. Quit blaming Berman for a few inconsistencies.
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Post by Boomer on Aug 15, 2003 20:36:43 GMT -5
People. The ST franchise is dying. They should have done what Lucus did. Go on hiatus for a while, then come back. JMHO
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Post by gbjay on Aug 24, 2003 13:15:58 GMT -5
People. The ST franchise is dying. They should have done what Lucus did. Go on hiatus for a while, then come back. JMHO Well, Boomer may have a point, however, it is painfully obvious that Berman and Co. are in serious trouble! People, "self denial" is an anxiety suffered by those that have been wronged and, unfortunately, do not want to admit they were wronged. Keep taking up for Berman and the TS franchise will go the way of Joel Schumacher's BATMAN & ROBIN! (and it was Joel Schumacher that put a bullet in the head of the franchise...) GBJ |
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Post by atom grid on Sept 27, 2003 11:35:59 GMT -5
ENTERPRISE is so painfully awful one can only hope that the Xindi win, go back in time, and destroy every single episode.
On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with Rick Berman's creative capabilities that a Radio Shack bulk-demagnetizer can't take care of. But I kid the fine folks at Radio Shack.
To quoth the bard, Homer J. Simpson, ST:E is the "suckiest suck that ever sucked."
I particularly enjoyed the episode where everyone walked around and delivered their lines in the most wooden way possible so that no one would mistake them for actors.
Another excellent episode was the one in which the Enterprise visited the strange planet and at no time was any crew member ever placed in a situation resembling real jeopardy.
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Post by VulcanMan on Dec 13, 2003 14:41:44 GMT -5
If you are anti-Enterprise, why do you read Enterprise messages online?
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Post by Lekima on Dec 26, 2003 22:47:05 GMT -5
Don't think it's so much anti-Enterprise as it's more of anti-akiraprise canon syndrome.  |
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Post by PocketRocket on Dec 29, 2003 20:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by gbjay on Dec 30, 2003 0:47:58 GMT -5
PocketRocket: I loved your site! Well designed, colorful and definitely "Right-On". Berman, especially---needs to acquire some fresh thinking Star Trek talent when it comes to Writers, Directors, Editors and the like. It is rather amazing that as a businessperson, he does not see how important it is to creativity, longevity and fiscal success---to have people that actually enjoy something (Spider-Man, Daredevil, X-Men movies), doing the writing, directing, producing, editing, set building et al. I'm sure there are a lot of real Trek fans and followers out there with entertainment production experience that would be more than willing to contribute. Berman's short comings are evident and exampled by the fact that DS9 and Voyager got their highest audience ratings in their last two years---than in the previous five, simply because Berman & Company decided to pay attention to what "We" the fans said and wanted going into the end of the fifth year! Roddenberry=Franchise Maker! ;D Berman=Franchise Killer!  Nuff said, gbjay!  |
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Post by EnJee on Apr 15, 2004 23:34:13 GMT -5
Tell you what, gbjay: if you're so whiny about how Star Trek is going, why don't we put you in charge of it and see if you can do any better than Berman? I doubt you could.
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Post by A on May 2, 2004 19:46:51 GMT -5
I think we will have to wait for enterprise.
Until they hit the golden story.
Like the dominion and klingon war for DS9
Like the borg for the voyager.
I think that TNG was allmoust flawless.
Its true that on enterprise are fewer tech things and I miss them. But to see how hard is to climb to reach somewere, makes you value the words "energize!".
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Post by all on Aug 31, 2007 4:25:04 GMT -5
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Post by instachris on May 14, 2008 22:18:24 GMT -5
I am a fan of all STAR TREK series, but i find after watching all enterprise episodes it is at a tie for first w/ TNG & DS9. Trip; Malcolm; Phlox; Hoshi; Mayweather all hold there own on screen. Not to mention the way they brought in old races and add value to the dynamic of all these species.
In summary it was the most moving and inspiring series. I finely have hope that humans can achieve this dream and more.
P.S.
Archer was a great pionering captian.
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Post by twistedweather on Sept 11, 2008 0:26:20 GMT -5
Watched DS9 season one
-my first ever star trek viewing
Impressed but lagged jus a bit
then rented Enterprise
-really liked the CGI but the writing was nowhere as interesting and intelligent as Ds9
after the ending of Enterprise Season 1 I was hooked and watched season 2, and 3 ...then a lil burned out and Season 4 jus a bit dissappointing specially the beginning two parter (sheez) stinky!
stinky stubborn aspects or Enterprise
-captain (baluka or whatever) sometimes his acting was real cornballish
-very weak storylines at times when compared with DS9 Season 2+
-the oversexing of tpol Now I luv starring a Tpols beautiful body but after a while it was borderline softcore porn LAME-0
-characters jus failing to nail different moods
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